Why the movie "failed" at the box office

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Unlike many fans I know... I *loved* the movie. I felt that it was a definite homage to the show. B.R.O.L.L.Y. ... the scene in the hothouse between Emma and Sir August... the "old girl"... in my opinion, all well done. But the best was the homage to "The House That Jack Built" when Emma was in the mansion. "The House that Jack Built" is one of my favorite episodes. If DVDs could be wornout, mine would be on that one, on "The Danger Makers", and "A Touch of Brimstone".

And I think therein lies the rub. You had to be a fan of the show in order to "get" some of the parts of the film. Most people have never seen the show, and couldn't get the inside joke.

I'm sure I'll draw fire for saying I liked the film... I know a lot of fans did not.

SG
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  • Re: Why the movie "failed" at the box office

    Thu, July 7, 2005 - 1:54 PM
    I never even saw the film due to so many negative comments from fans, but I have to admit your comments have caused me to reconsider this position!
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      Fri, July 8, 2005 - 2:05 PM
      I agree that knowing the show could help you enjoy the movie more but I also felt that knowing the show only caused the film to be less enjoyable by comparison.
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        Fri, July 8, 2005 - 3:24 PM
        I loved the show for how smart and understated it was, for the complex relationship between Steed and Mrs. Peel, and for the dark, off-kilter sense of humor. I found none of these qualities in the movie.

        I'm not even all that fond of the color episodes of the show, when they deliberately dumbed it down for an American audience (although there are some standout episodes, like "The Hidden Tiger").
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          Re: Why the movie "failed" at the box office

          Sat, July 9, 2005 - 3:12 PM
          ::I loved the show for how smart and understated it was, for the complex relationship between Steed and Mrs. Peel, and for the dark, off-kilter sense of humor. I found none of these qualities in the movie. ::

          On the whole I agree with you. I thought the movie had it's moments...

          1) When Emma says "Don't worry, it's just a game." refering to how she'd just kicked Steeds ass at chess and never looked at the board.

          2) The fencing sequence that harkens back to the one in the show.

          3) The verbal sparring around Steed's remark about it being his mission to kill Emma

          4) The older woman, Alice, with the machine gun reminded me of Pongo's appearance from nowhere in "The House that Jack Built".

          5) The use of "How Now Brown Cow" to activate the elevator

          6) The scene where Steed zips up Emma's boots. (But then, I have a boot fetish, so YMMV.)

          7) The tea spigot on the dashboard of "The Old Girl".

          On the other hand, the colored teddy bear suits didn't really work for me. After the balloon scene, I think it sorta got overly complicated. And... I'm sorry... I *never* liked Mother. In fact, I don't even consider the Tara King episodes to be "The Avengers". It was a different show.

          :: I'm not even all that fond of the color episodes of the show, when they deliberately dumbed it down for an American audience (although there are some standout episodes, like "The Hidden Tiger"). ::

          I'm with you. I can barely stand to watch most of them. And as I said, the Tara King period just isn't "The Avengers" to me. The segment at the end of "The Forget Me Knot" where Tara tries to do Emma's part with Steed to the theme music is... just... painful to watch. Linda Thorsen was so uncoordinated compared to Diana Rigg. I guess you don't have to be coordinated when you're the niece of Peter Sellers.

          And as far as "The New Avengers".... we just won't go there.

          SG
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        Re: Why the movie "failed" at the box office

        Sat, July 9, 2005 - 3:16 PM
        I was just touched by how they *tried* to capture some of the magic. Agreed, Ralph Fiennes made for a pretty wooden John Steed, but I thought Umma Thurman came closer to the character of Mrs. Peel.

        I'm afraid I'll take the movie over Tara King episodes any day. :)

        sg
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          Mon, July 11, 2005 - 12:00 PM
          To borrow a line from another classic tv show...

          Just the facts, ma'am: PatricK Macnee is John Steed. Diana Rigg is Emma Peel. Any recasting was bound to be a bad idea.
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            Re: Why the movie "failed" at the box office

            Mon, July 11, 2005 - 2:57 PM
            ::Just the facts, ma'am: PatricK Macnee is John Steed. Diana Rigg is Emma Peel. Any recasting was bound to be a bad idea.::

            Don't get me wrong...that's my feeling too. I just have some apreciation for the guts it takes to try to fill those shoes. In order to fail greatly, one must sometimes dare greatly. :)

            BTW, Diana Rigg is still hot, now matter her age.

            sg
            • Re: Why the movie "failed" at the box office

              Tue, July 12, 2005 - 8:39 PM
              Speaking of "Don't get me wrong..." Anybody ever see the old Pretenders' music video for the song "Don't Get Me Wrong"? It's a tribute to John Steed.
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                Tue, July 12, 2005 - 9:01 PM
                I vaguely remember that Pretenders video. Jeez, it must've been a long time ago.

                I appreciate your enthusiasm about the movie, star gazer. I really WANTED to find something to appreciate, but I just couldn't latch on to anything.

                I was thinking about it the last couple of days actually. What was that essential missing element? I mean, besides the obvious perfect casting of the original?

                Then I watched "The Murder Market." It had been a while since I'd watched any Avengers episodes. Probably three years. "Murder Market" is the dating service episode. Suddenly, while watching, it hit me. As cool as Steed and Peel are, they're also big DORKS. Come on, admit it! Emma plays tuba, for crying out loud, and she's REALLY GOOD AT MATH, while steed knocks golf balls around and rambles on about things dorkishly.

                I think the dorky element makes them fifty times more likeable, and it was completely missing from the movie. What do you think?
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                  Re: Why the movie "failed" at the box office

                  Thu, July 14, 2005 - 8:18 PM
                  That's true. Emma and Steed were too.... cool... in the movie. Or, at least, it seemed that the writers really wanted them to be cool. The writers tried too hard, and their self-conscious attempts seemed to make the characters self-conscious as well. You can't write the "sexy dork" character if you feel self-conscious... you second guess yourself too much.

                  SG
  • Re: Why the movie "failed" at the box office

    Tue, May 16, 2006 - 7:18 AM
    i saw it..., but made such anon- impression on me
    i've forgotten it completely....................

    while i DO remember being SORELY disappointed..
    it seemed 2 b ALL 'cool' visual oriented...,

    part of the excellence of the show 4 me was how much they did WITHOUT an overt ABUNDANCE od cool stuuf-besides the general overall LOOK of the show-and the coolness of the PLOTLINES...

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